Angels and Demons

[Jen]

NTG's going to see it. I wasn't going to, but then he said that people have said it's better than the DaVinci Code movie.

Anyone seen it? Worth viewing or not?

[Kirtan]

if you know science, the amount of antimatter obtained is the funniest thing ever written

[Not That Guy]

What is it like .5 grams or something is equivalent to the Hiroshima bomb...

[Not That Guy]

Its 1 gram of antimatter is equal to a 20 kiloton nuclear bomb.
Nuclear fission is 1.5% efficient where as anti matter is 100% efficient.
Problem is its the most unstable substance known as it tends to explode when it comes in contact with anything including air.

[Kirtan]

keep on looking to see how much anti matter has ever been made. and how much was stolen in the film

[Not That Guy]

I aint seen the film however i am rereading the book and in the preface the author states as fact that only a few atoms have ever been created, however they now have the ability to create it in larger quantities possibly solving the energy needs of the entire planet....wouldn't that be cool....or wouldn't it be a hell of a bang ending civilization as we know it.

[Jen]

I just saw the book as fictional and tried not to overanalyze it.

[Kirtan]

and in the preface the author states as fact that only a few atoms have ever been created, however they now have the ability to create it in larger quantities


and there we are

[Not That Guy]

It is fiction based around factual times and places

[Jen]

It is fiction based around factual times and places

Yes, that's how I take it, and there may well be other elements of truth in the plot. But for the most part, it's fiction.

[Kirtan]

still more bullshit than bruce willis piloting a f22

[Not That Guy]

if you know science, the amount of antimatter obtained is the funniest thing ever written
In all fairness it is a work of fiction, I mean who could believe that two Spocks could exist at the same time without causing a time continuum paradox.

[Jen]

In all fairness it is a work of fiction, I mean who could believe that two Spocks could exist at the same time without causing a time continuum paradox.

I was actually quite happy to see that convention challenged in the Star Trek movie.

[Kirtan]

In all fairness it is a work of fiction, I mean who could believe that two Spocks could exist at the same time without causing a time continuum paradox.


well one spock existed from a time line that already existed, before being dragged into an alternate timeline already altered by the actions of nero, thus changing that alternate dimensions timeline for its existence.


whats so confusing about that?

[Not That Guy]

Whats confusing is that in the original series and some of the first movies Spocks mother was alive, Now because of this shes dead.
Am i supposed to just erase all that ive seen before me because now it no longer exists

[Jen]

Whats confusing is that in the original series and some of the first movies Spocks mother was alive, Now because of this shes dead.
Am i supposed to just erase all that ive seen before me because now it no longer exists

It depends on whether the creators continue to make movies in this new universe or if they make movies in the old one.

I think this is why some long-time fans hate the movie, but I personally hope that they continue making movies in the new universe with the same actors. It gave a fresh start to the series.

[Kirtan]

nero went back in time and killed spocks mom. thats what time travel and changing the past is all about. hence the alternate timeline and not interfering with the original series is about

[Jen]

nero went back in time and killed spocks mom. thats what time travel and changing the past is all about. hence the alternate timeline and not interfering with the original series is about

Yes, but if they continue making movies about these characters and never return to the old timeline, it is as though long term fans have to forget what happened in the old timeline to understand the new one. Even if the two timelines can run alongside each other.

[Kirtan]

yes, after nero appeared in the past and killed kirks dad, everything changed from the original series universe, and the shows after it. thats the alternate reality created.

they cannot go back to the original universe, its been replaced by the new one


unless you believe in multiple dimensions -or offshoots- and not that actions change the world.

[Jen]

I think both universes must exist at the same time because the older Spock was from the initial universe while the younger was from the new one.

[Not That Guy]

I think both universes must exist at the same time because the older Spock was from the initial universe while the younger was from the new one.

and thats the kicker

[Kirtan]

believeing in multiple universes is quantum physics, that would mean the original series universe and the new universe exist equally and at the same time, although the new universe will have existed sooner than the original universe, thus creating a quantum event that means both universes exist at the same time while one is newer but equally older.



ffs, the original universe existed, then spock and nero went back, nero first changing things, then spock prime changing things -scotties telemaggier equation- to keep the universe in balance, if not acurrately in time.

[Jen]

It would be interesting if future movies continued to refer to the fact that there are (at least) two universes and further exploring that, rather than simply asking long time fans to forget everything that happened in the first universe.

[jimmy]

Man, this is why some Trekkies hate the new movie--they feel like it "erased" the 40 years of TV shows and movies that came before it. Oh, except Enterprise, since that happened before all this.

But the two universes continue to "exist"--the movies will be done in the new timeline, whereas the books will continue in the old timeline. If they do a new TV show, I have no idea which one they'd base it on, but probably the new one.

There is no reason they can't coexist, except for the business concern of brand dilution.

[Jen]

I can understand why it upset some people. In fact, I was worried NTG was going to completely hate the movie for that reason. That being said, I think it's time for them to attract the next generation of fans if the franchise is going to continue to make money, and this movie has probably done it.

[jimmy]

Its box office total is over $147M right now. I think it's done its job admirably.

It only made $3M less than Angels & Demons, which is stellar. Most summer blockbusters are very front-loaded whereas Star Trek has had only a very small drop in its first week. Its only big competition coming up next is the Terminator movie. But if Trek keeps doing as well as it is, it could be one of those movies that hangs out in theaters most of the summer.

[Brad]

i'm not watching the terminator movie, the last one was shit and a complete rip off of T2

[Jen]

So, Angels and Demons is good?